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There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and SpaceX's striving toward cheaper launch. Are they competitive? Complementary? It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch is limited to naturally G-tolerant and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when SpaceX finally launched about 4 times cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which had proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

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There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and SpaceX's striving toward cheaper launch. Are they competitive? Complementary? It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch is limited to naturally G-tolerant and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when SpaceX finally launched about 4 times cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which had proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't be competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

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There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and SpaceX's striving toward cheaper launch. Are they competitive? Complementary? It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch limited to rugged and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when SpaceX finally launched about 4 times cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which had proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

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There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and SpaceX's striving toward cheaper launch. Are they competitive? Complementary? It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch is limited to naturally G-tolerant and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when SpaceX finally launched about 4 times cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which had proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

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John Hunter has since started yet another light gas gun launcher company (Jules Verne Gun, Teklaunch, Quicklaunch, now Green Launch. His hypothetical customer for Quicklaunch would have been a humans-to-Mars mission, since the fuel requirements for getting a significant mission to the surface and back to Earth would be truly enormous. This new startup could have a more practical purpose: launching fuel to orbit to help land upper stages back down on Earth, for satellite launch industry. The company that seemed to kill Hunter's chances will perhaps finally breathe new life into the idea.

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John Hunter has since started yet another light gas gun launcher company (his fourth, after Jules Verne Gun, Teklaunch, and Quicklaunch), called Green Launch. His hypothetical customer for Quicklaunch would have been a humans-to-Mars mission, since the fuel requirements for getting a significant mission to the surface and back to Earth would be truly enormous. This new startup could have a more practical purpose: launching fuel to orbit to help return upper stages to Earth, intact, to be reused, for the satellite launch industry. The company that seemed to encourage, then kill, Hunter's chances will perhaps finally breathe new life into the idea.

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Light gas guns are only one technology that's been proposed to shoot thing into space a near orbital velocity. There are perhaps half a dozen more basic ideas. Elon Musk's greater dream, for which the Martian greenhouse was to be only a kind of PR bootstrap, or igniter of political will, is to make Mars a second planetary home for humanity. There's not much to be said for certain about that goal, except that it will require launching a lot of non-human mass to low Earth orbit. For as long as SpaceX remains stalled at diminishing returns to effort in its attempts to make space access truly cheap, the projectile space launch option can't be foreclosed.

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Light gas guns are only one technology that's been proposed to shoot things into space at near orbital velocity. There are perhaps half a dozen more basic ideas. Elon Musk has a bigger dream, for which the Martian greenhouse was to be only a kind of PR bootstrap, or igniter of political will. It is to make Mars a second planetary home for humanity. There's not much to be said for certain about that goal, except that it will require launching a lot of non-human mass to low Earth orbit. For as long as SpaceX remains stalled at diminishing returns to effort in its attempts to make space access truly cheap, the projectile space launch option can't be foreclosed.

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Can a company like Space X make projectile space launch an idea whose time has past?

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Can a company like Space X make projectile space launch an idea whose time is past?

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There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and Space X's striving toward cheaper launch. Are they competitive? Complementary? It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch limited to rugged and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when Space X finally launched about 4 times cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which had proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

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There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and SpaceX's striving toward cheaper launch. Are they competitive? Complementary? It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch limited to rugged and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when SpaceX finally launched about 4 times cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which had proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

August 14, 2017, at 11:02 AM by 219.164.205.191 -
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SpaceX is a company that started with Elon Musk's dream of a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of the company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. But as so often with new ventures, there was a pivot. Originally, Must was going to do it on somebody else's rocket.1

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SpaceX is a company that started with Elon Musk's dream of a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of the company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. But as so often with new ventures, there was a pivot. Originally, Musk was going to do it on somebody else's rocket.2

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SpaceX is a company that started with Elon Musk's dream of a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. But as so often with new ventures, there was a pivot. Originally, Must was going to do it on somebody else's rocket.3

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SpaceX is a company that started with Elon Musk's dream of a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of the company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. But as so often with new ventures, there was a pivot. Originally, Must was going to do it on somebody else's rocket.4

August 14, 2017, at 10:48 AM by 219.164.205.191 -
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http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YBsKAol9s_c/mqdefault.jpg | Galvanize public interest ...

SpaceX is a company that started with Elon Musk's dream of a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. But originally on somebody else's rocket.5

A small greenhouse, but how to get it to Mars at all? This founder-dreamer considered the low-cost leader in interplanetary space launchers: Roskosmos. But he was discouraged: Russian launch brokers started with lower prices but kept raising them. Musk decided he needed to start his own launcher company, in hopes that, even in America, with its higher labor rates, there might be some unexploited opportunity. Hence: SpaceX. In that, there was another resemblance to Project Persephone's motivations: making access to space cheaper. The company has achieved a major reduction in costs through a combination of launcher design and management structure. The combination is arguably Russian: standardize on one engine, to be used in clusters in the lower stage, and keep almost all design and production under one, highly localized, corporate roof, to enable a more "agile" engineering and production style.

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http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YBsKAol9s_c/mqdefault.jpg | "Galvanize public interest ..."

SpaceX is a company that started with Elon Musk's dream of a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. But as so often with new ventures, there was a pivot. Originally, Must was going to do it on somebody else's rocket.6

Put a few plants on Mars, green against red soil -- could it inspire a human mission costing thousands of times more? It seemed worth a try. But how to get it to Mars at all?

This founder-dreamer considered the low-cost leader in interplanetary space launchers: Roskosmos. But he was discouraged: Russian launch brokers started with lower prices but kept raising them.

Musk decided he had to start his own launcher company, in hopes that, even in America, with its higher labor rates, there might be some unexploited technological edge to be gained. Hence: SpaceX. In that, there was another resemblance to Project Persephone's motivations: making access to space cheaper. The company has achieved a major reduction in costs through a combination of launcher design and management structure. The combination is arguably Russian: standardize on one engine, to be used in clusters in the lower stage, and keep almost all design and production under one, highly localized, corporate roof, to enable a more "agile" engineering and production style.

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John Hunter has since started yet another light gas gun launcher company (Jules Verne Gun, Teklaunch, Quicklaunch, now Green Launch. His hypothetical customer for Quicklaunch would have been a humans-to-Mars mission, since the fuel requirements for getting a significant mission to the surface and back to Earth would be truly enormous. This new startup could have a more practical purpose: launching fuel to orbit to help land upper stages back down on Earth, for satellite launch industry. The company that seemed to kill his chances will perhaps actually breathe new life into the idea.

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John Hunter has since started yet another light gas gun launcher company (Jules Verne Gun, Teklaunch, Quicklaunch, now Green Launch. His hypothetical customer for Quicklaunch would have been a humans-to-Mars mission, since the fuel requirements for getting a significant mission to the surface and back to Earth would be truly enormous. This new startup could have a more practical purpose: launching fuel to orbit to help land upper stages back down on Earth, for satellite launch industry. The company that seemed to kill Hunter's chances will perhaps finally breathe new life into the idea.

Light gas guns are only one technology that's been proposed to shoot thing into space a near orbital velocity. There are perhaps half a dozen more basic ideas. Elon Musk's greater dream, for which the Martian greenhouse was to be only a kind of PR bootstrap, or igniter of political will, is to make Mars a second planetary home for humanity. There's not much to be said for certain about that goal, except that it will require launching a lot of non-human mass to low Earth orbit. For as long as SpaceX remains stalled at diminishing returns to effort in its attempts to make space access truly cheap, the projectile space launch option can't be foreclosed.

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There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and Space X's striving toward cheaper launch. It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch limited to rugged and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when Space X launched about 4x cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

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Can a company like Space X make projectile space launch an idea whose time has past?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Erax53WQX5s/hqdefault.jpg | Projectile launch competitor to Space X? Or enabler of further cost reductions?

There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and Space X's striving toward cheaper launch. Are they competitive? Complementary? It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch limited to rugged and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when Space X finally launched about 4 times cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which had proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

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This founder-dreamer considered the low-cost leader in interplanetary space launchers: Roskosmos. But he was discouraged: Russian launch brokers started with lower prices but kept raising them. Musk decided he needed to start his own launcher company, in hopes that, even in America, with its higher labor rates, there might be some unexploited opportunity. Hence: SpaceX. In that, there was another resemblance to Project Persephone's motivations: making access to space cheaper. The company has achieved a major reduction in costs through a combination of launcher design and management structure. The combination is arguably Russian: standardize on one engine, to be used in clusters in the lower stage, and keep almost all design and production under one, highly localized, corporate roof, to enable a more "agile" engineering and production style.

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A small greenhouse, but how to get it to Mars at all? This founder-dreamer considered the low-cost leader in interplanetary space launchers: Roskosmos. But he was discouraged: Russian launch brokers started with lower prices but kept raising them. Musk decided he needed to start his own launcher company, in hopes that, even in America, with its higher labor rates, there might be some unexploited opportunity. Hence: SpaceX. In that, there was another resemblance to Project Persephone's motivations: making access to space cheaper. The company has achieved a major reduction in costs through a combination of launcher design and management structure. The combination is arguably Russian: standardize on one engine, to be used in clusters in the lower stage, and keep almost all design and production under one, highly localized, corporate roof, to enable a more "agile" engineering and production style.

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SpaceX is a company that started with a dream: a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. When this founder-dreamer, Elon Musk, considered the low-cost leader in interplanetary space launchers: Roskosmos. But he was discouraged: Russian launch brokers started with lower prices but kept raising them. Musk decided he needed to start his own launcher company, in hopes that, even in America, with its higher labor rates, there might be some unexploited opportunity. In that, there is another resemblance to Project Persephone's motivations: making access to space cheaper. It has achieved a major reduction in costs through a combination of launcher design and management structure that's arguably Russian: standardize on one engine to be used in clusters, and keep almost all design and production under one, highly localized, corporate roof, to enable a more "agile" engineering and production style.

The relationship between projectile space launch and Space X's moves toward cheaper launch is complex. It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could gain such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially if it's limited to rugged and G-hardened payloads, as projectile launch is. Indeed, when Space X reached about 4x cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher company, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which proposed to launch fuel to orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100%) $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. However, Gwynne Shotwell, the chief executive of SpaceX, assessed lower stage return as a clear engineering success but only as a qualified success in business terms: the end-to-end cost savings of first-stage return might only be about 35%. Returning an upper stage using the extra fuel margin possible with Falcon Heavy wasn't necessarily a bargain. Investing in lower-stage return had also cost SpaceX a lot, and that investment had to pay back somehow.

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SpaceX is a company that started with Elon Musk's dream of a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. But originally on somebody else's rocket.7

This founder-dreamer considered the low-cost leader in interplanetary space launchers: Roskosmos. But he was discouraged: Russian launch brokers started with lower prices but kept raising them. Musk decided he needed to start his own launcher company, in hopes that, even in America, with its higher labor rates, there might be some unexploited opportunity. Hence: SpaceX. In that, there was another resemblance to Project Persephone's motivations: making access to space cheaper. The company has achieved a major reduction in costs through a combination of launcher design and management structure. The combination is arguably Russian: standardize on one engine, to be used in clusters in the lower stage, and keep almost all design and production under one, highly localized, corporate roof, to enable a more "agile" engineering and production style.

There is a complex relationship between projectile space launch and Space X's striving toward cheaper launch. It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could show such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially since projectile launch limited to rugged and G-hardened payloads. Indeed, when Space X launched about 4x cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which proposed to put fuel supplies into orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the whole idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100% reuse) then $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. And it seemed likely that SpaceX would eventually reach that goal.

Upper stage return was repeatedly demonstrated, to some exultation in the aerospace community, except perhaps where it sparked fear among competitors. However, Gwynne Shotwell, the chief executive of SpaceX, assessed lower stage return as a clear engineering success but as only a qualified success in business terms: the end-to-end cost savings of first-stage return could be as low as 35%. Returning an upper stage seemed possible, using the extra fuel margin possible with Falcon Heavy. But it wasn't necessarily a bargain. Investing in lower-stage return had also cost SpaceX a lot, and that investment had to pay dividends somehow.

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https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f0/8b/a3/f08ba3587e3003526f0de796eb6c26d9--spacex-launch-rocket-ships.jpg | First stage return - only 30% cheaper?

SpaceX is a company that started with a dream: a greenhouse on Mars. In that, one of company's original motivations resembles one of Project Persephone's: to bring life to the barren reaches of space. When this founder-dreamer, Elon Musk, considered the low-cost leader in interplanetary space launchers: Roskosmos. But he was discouraged: Russian launch brokers started with lower prices but kept raising them. Musk decided he needed to start his own launcher company, in hopes that, even in America, with its higher labor rates, there might be some unexploited opportunity. In that, there is another resemblance to Project Persephone's motivations: making access to space cheaper. It has achieved a major reduction in costs through a combination of launcher design and management structure that's arguably Russian: standardize on one engine to be used in clusters, and keep almost all design and production under one, highly localized, corporate roof, to enable a more "agile" engineering and production style.

The relationship between projectile space launch and Space X's moves toward cheaper launch is complex. It's not impossible that, with high enough launch rates, SpaceX could gain such dramatic reductions in launch cost that there's no longer any point in investing in anything much cheaper, especially if it's limited to rugged and G-hardened payloads, as projectile launch is. Indeed, when Space X reached about 4x cheaper than the next-cheapest American launcher company, John Hunter of Quicklaunch, which proposed to launch fuel to orbit with a light gas gun system, seemed to give up on the idea. If SpaceX achieved some reusability (and it was always Elon Musk's goal to reach 100%) $1000/kg with Quicklaunch wouldn't seem as competitive. However, Gwynne Shotwell, the chief executive of SpaceX, assessed lower stage return as a clear engineering success but only as a qualified success in business terms: the end-to-end cost savings of first-stage return might only be about 35%. Returning an upper stage using the extra fuel margin possible with Falcon Heavy wasn't necessarily a bargain. Investing in lower-stage return had also cost SpaceX a lot, and that investment had to pay back somehow.

John Hunter has since started yet another light gas gun launcher company (Jules Verne Gun, Teklaunch, Quicklaunch, now Green Launch. His hypothetical customer for Quicklaunch would have been a humans-to-Mars mission, since the fuel requirements for getting a significant mission to the surface and back to Earth would be truly enormous. This new startup could have a more practical purpose: launching fuel to orbit to help land upper stages back down on Earth, for satellite launch industry. The company that seemed to kill his chances will perhaps actually breathe new life into the idea.

 

1 Here's The Wacky Reason Elon Musk Founded SpaceX, Ajai Raj, Business Insider, Oct. 14, 2014

2 Here's The Wacky Reason Elon Musk Founded SpaceX, Ajai Raj, Business Insider, Oct. 14, 2014

3 Here's The Wacky Reason Elon Musk Founded SpaceX, Ajai Raj, Business Insider, Oct. 14, 2014

4 Here's The Wacky Reason Elon Musk Founded SpaceX, Ajai Raj, Business Insider, Oct. 14, 2014

5 Here's The Wacky Reason Elon Musk Founded SpaceX, Ajai Raj, Business Insider, Oct. 14, 2014

6 Here's The Wacky Reason Elon Musk Founded SpaceX, Ajai Raj, Business Insider, Oct. 14, 2014

7 Here's The Wacky Reason Elon Musk Founded SpaceX, Ajai Raj, Business Insider, Oct. 14, 2014

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